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		<title>Does really the Real Time Social Information Search make sense?</title>
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Last days, there’s a bouncing topic on Real Time Searches, since twitter launched their search engine, with the ability of getting results on real time. Traditional search enterprises, specially Google, are discussing about getting the Real Time search on their services.
 
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Last days, there’s a bouncing topic on Real Time Searches, since twitter launched their search engine, with the ability of getting results on real time. <em>Traditional</em></span><span lang="CA"> search enterprises, specially Google, are discussing about getting the Real Time search on their services.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="CA"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="CA">Google is working on a <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/5351937/Google-chief-hints-at-partnership-with-Twitter.html">partnership with Twitter</a> as Google’s CIO states in this way, Larry Page admitted Google had so far “done a relatively poor job of creating things that work on a per second basis”.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="CA"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="CA">What is going on? Let’s analize it a little comming from the precedent search engines.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="CA"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="CA">We will use the trend “American Idol” to compare and decide over the results.</span></p>
<p><strong><span lang="EN-GB">1. Google</span></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">We’ve ever had the possibility of making a restricted search for a site e.g. :site:twitter.com “american idol”</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="http://www.google.es/search?hl=es&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla%3Aes-ES%3Aofficial&amp;as_qdr=all&amp;q=site%3Atwitter.com+%22american+idol%22&amp;btnG=Buscar&amp;meta=">Search URL</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">If we analyze the 10 first results we get:</span></p>
<ul style="margin-top: 0cm;" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">1<sup>st</sup> result is a      twitter user mobile’s page: American Idol (idolatry) containing the      keywords on URL and title</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">3 top results are from mobile      user pages, not Statuses</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">1<sup>st</sup> statuses result      is from Mashable user on 4<sup>th</sup> position, 1 day and 8hrs ago from      the posting</span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span lang="EN-GB">2. Google Custom Search Engine</span></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Steve Rubel created on May 10, 2006 a </span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span lang="CA"><a href="http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=004053080137224009376%3Aicdh3tsqkzy"><span lang="EN-GB">Google Custom Search</span></a> Engine</span></span><span lang="EN-GB"> scanning Twitter, based on the Google’s Crawler, PageRank and results service.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="http://www.google.com/cse?cx=004053080137224009376%3Aicdh3tsqkzy&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;q=%22American+Idol%22&amp;sa=Search">Search URL</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">The results are worst to direct search on Google:</span></p>
<ul style="margin-top: 0cm;" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">7 top results are from user      names or tittles</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">1<sup>st</sup> status result is      the same as before, Mashable on 8<sup>th</sup> position</span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span lang="EN-GB">3. TweetMeme and other Twitter search engines</span></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="http://www.twitmeme.com/">TweetMeme</a> is a search engine for Twitter. This kind of search engine was the first on getting real statuses and order not provided by the PageRank or similar ranking algorism.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="http://tweetmeme.com/search.php?for=American+Idol">Search URL</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">The results are quite good in content information but 1<sup>st</sup> result is from 59 minutes ago… that shouldn’t be considered real time…</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span lang="EN-GB">4. Google + Greasemonkey</span></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 70.8pt; text-indent: -70.8pt;"><span lang="EN-GB">Installing the <a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/es-ES/firefox/addon/748">Greasemonkey script</a> amd the <a href="http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/43451">Twitter Search Script for Greasemonkey </a><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">The best real time results before Twitter Search. </span></p>
<ul>
<li><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB">First result is about 5 minutes      ago</span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Nowadays, with Twitter Search the results are really Real Time.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Kinds of information</strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Now is time to think if the Real Time Search makes sense, specially for searching Social Network status. So we are going to separate the Social Information from the Real Time Requied Information</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span lang="EN-GB">1. Real Time Required Information</span></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Let’s think about what relevant information would be required on Real Time:</span></p>
<ul style="margin-top: 0cm;" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Disaster coverage</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Currency exchange /<span> </span>Trade market</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Transport information: Traffic,      flights, trains…</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Live Events Coverage</span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">So anybody can ask… where are the News?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">News are not real time… when a new occurs, someone has to arrive there, write or record the notice, send it to the Media and publish…so the delay make them not Real Time. In spite of this, news should be available for searching within 10 seconds after the publication.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">One common point of all this kind of information is the continuous status changing and the need to discover the Real Time status anytime we should need this. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">All this information is nowadays unavailable for searching on search engines, meaning in Real Time, and we need to go to the original sources to get the most closest to Real Time information.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span lang="EN-GB">2. Real Time Social Information</span></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">With the Twitter explosion, people are requiring the search for the social information, especially for the information covering some of the real time required information described before.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">But as usual there is a lot of noise on the information: irrelevant information and spam are the common noise generators, as we can note on Twitter Search. And crawl all this information really doesn’t make sense!!!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">So the Social Valuable Information have to be filtered in order to get the real value of its, and this is the problem in my opinion Google can have.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">A good way of filtering the information is crawling the social trend, this is hot information, and use strong recognition algorisms to find spam on this (same as made on blogs comments)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">In spite of filtering algorism some info would be not considered as spam when it is, and some moderation is required, but aren’t we talking about Social?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Why not let the Social Users who can mark Real Time Search Results as spam and delete them!</span></p>
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		<title>Social Search Engines</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Some time ago the Social Search Engines have been growing up from small startups companies. Based on the concept of collaboration, this search engines provide users with different ways of changing their search results:
Voting up or down the results
Users may can to vote up or down the results of their search, so this votes can [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some time ago the Social Search Engines have been growing up from small startups companies. Based on the concept of collaboration, this search engines provide users with different ways of changing their search results:</p>
<p><strong>Voting up or down the results</strong></p>
<p>Users may can to vote up or down the results of their search, so this votes can be used for future searches for other users.</p>
<p><strong>Commenting the results</strong></p>
<p>Post a comment to a given result depending on the user opinion or knowledge on this. The comments can be used as an extended snippet for the result.</p>
<p>The Social Search Engines are Rich Internet Application developed under the Web 2.0 philosophy and using Ajax as platform for developement.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scour.com"><img class="alignright" title="Scour Logo" src="http://www.scour.com/commercialcontest/images/scour.jpg" alt="" width="171" height="59" /></a></p>
<p><a title="Scour website" href="http://www.scour.com" target="_blank">Scour</a> was the first Social Search Engine I used. It provides the posibility to search through the 3 most popular Search Engines: Google, Yahoo, MSN. And configure the weight of every search engine on your final results. Scour also have a promotion system based on points convertible into real money through your and your friends searches.</p>
<p>Now <a href="http://www.google.com">Google</a> Experimental Search enable Google users to comment, vote, change the position rank or delete a record on our search.</p>
<p><img class="alignright" title="Google Experimental Search" src="http://www.google.com/experimental/a840e102_screen.jpg" alt="" width="298" height="429" /></p>
<p><strong>Will the Social Search Engines change the way we search the web?</strong></p>
<p>Sure it will do, we&#8217;ve been trained to use the social generated content, we started with mailing lists to go through forums and groups, we have seen growing the Wikipedia and keep the social phenomena growing to the social networks where all content is user generated.</p>
<p>The social search engines will success when the user get concerned about the relevance of the vote or the comment he is making.</p>
<p>The pagerank will not depend on some variables that can be &#8220;hacked&#8221;, it will be determined by users to users.</p>
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